http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#6f7c3e20-8836-451b-a5e5-6adccf643e3c I was referring to the photo album. No rest for teh wicked. --S Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:41:10 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#6f7c3e20-8836-451b-a5e5-6adccf643e3c Shatter 2009-07-15T21:41:10Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#f1383443-93ed-4936-9957-256cdfcd5540 I am just so surprised that THIS subject is what finally stirs bagg tribe. amazing. Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:40:56 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#f1383443-93ed-4936-9957-256cdfcd5540 Ally 2009-07-15T02:40:56Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#180983e0-bff2-42a6-925f-72c0e6552360 They found some porn magazines, including *gasp* copies of ‘Barely Legal’. Give it a rest, Shatter. Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:43:50 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#180983e0-bff2-42a6-925f-72c0e6552360 Tomas Diablo 2009-07-14T16:43:50Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#3dbbbcfe-b173-4f9d-8f96-487c6db91beb Guess you didn't hear about the photo album they found while cleaning up the place then... --S Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:46:34 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#3dbbbcfe-b173-4f9d-8f96-487c6db91beb Shatter 2009-07-14T08:46:34Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#1218dd56-4714-45b6-abf4-67d3e1da7305 How about Madonna !!! I keep hoping she stops writing her own songs. Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:19:40 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#1218dd56-4714-45b6-abf4-67d3e1da7305 Boyelektric 2009-07-14T03:19:40Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#f3162240-5190-435e-98f6-d0aa7847835e I too feel it is a great loss. He did so much for people and children in general, and not in the perverted sense. IMO it's just another case of someone who was persecuted for being different. I always did and always will believe in his innocence. I hope that now he can find some peace. Thank You Michael. Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:12:53 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#f3162240-5190-435e-98f6-d0aa7847835e Boyelektric 2009-07-14T03:12:53Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#4e1d93d2-078b-4bef-b0d5-81a47cce67dc Dude, you read my mind. Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:31:33 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#4e1d93d2-078b-4bef-b0d5-81a47cce67dc joe 2009-07-10T01:31:33Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#466932dc-0e88-4370-bdd1-9105738222eb Me too. When I heard I was with people I didnt know to well....well, lets say it didnt turn out to well. Out numbered 4 to 1. People do suck!!!!!! Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:30:09 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#466932dc-0e88-4370-bdd1-9105738222eb joe 2009-07-10T01:30:09Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#1d8ccf29-45d6-4b47-a11b-40370acdc86b "Other things Fred Astaire didn't do: " Obsess on little boys --S Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:52:18 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#1d8ccf29-45d6-4b47-a11b-40370acdc86b Shatter 2009-07-03T22:52:18Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#99568613-7352-4d57-9bc8-9818c2bce98a > Fred didn't bill himself at the King of Pop. Other things Fred Astaire didn't do: Release the world's best-selling album of all time. Be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice. Set multiple Guinness World Records—including one for "Most Successful Entertainer of All Time". Receive thirteen Grammy Awards Release 13 number one singles in his solo career (plus an additional 5 with the Jackson 5). Release 28 top-10 hits, and 32 top-20. Sell 750 million records worldwide (plus an additional 36 million with the Jackson 5). Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:22:31 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#99568613-7352-4d57-9bc8-9818c2bce98a Tomas Diablo 2009-07-03T22:22:31Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#60ba9f5e-b4b3-44fc-8d0b-e28139f61306 I can imagine the children of the world be happy and saying "HEY! The monster under my bed is gone!" Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:56:35 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#60ba9f5e-b4b3-44fc-8d0b-e28139f61306 split 2009-07-02T22:56:35Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#b7263084-7203-490b-af5d-356c1827c02e Ok.. so this is my final word on the subject... I’ve lost a lot of friends this week over the death of Michael Jackson. It’s a hot button issue, almost just as deep as debating politics. So, I wanted to take a moment and run through some of the most contested aspects of Michael Jackson’s troubles, his child molestation accusations. :::The first incident::: In 1993, Michael Jackson was accused of abusing the child of Evan Chandler. Jackson had befriending the child in early 1992. Jackson and the chandler family were very close having been seen out shopping and attending local events. Evan Chandler was an aspiring writer. And was trying to get one of his scripts off the ground and formed into a movie. He approached Michael Jackson with his ideas in hopes of receiving some funding towards the projects. When Michael Jackson declined, one week later the accusation was made public. Michael Jackson had intended to fight these claims tooth and nail to prove his innocence. His legal team along with the advisement of his now new girlfriend Lisa Marie Presley and long time friend and Elizabeth Taylor. It was they who convinced Michael Jackson to settle out of court even after two Grand Juries questioned 200 witnesses but could not corroborate the Chandlers allegations. Charges were never filed due to lack of evidence. Jackson settled out of courts for 22 million. He stated he “just wanted to get on with his life.” If you are curious was the money were used for. Through the settlement Evan Chandler did receive the funding he needed to produce his movie, “Robbin Hood: Men in Tights.” :::And now, The 2nd incident::: After a very long friendship with the family of the accused, Jackson was once again accused of wrong doing by the Arvizo family. Before I get to the facts of the case I want to bring up a lil incident that took place before. In 1998 the Arvizo family was held on a shoplifting charges at a J. C. Penney. It is reported that the father sent out the children with arm loads of stolen clothing. They were detained and the mother Janet Arvizo got into a scuffle with security. Charged were eventually dropped but the Janet filled a $3 million suit claiming she had been beaten. After an investigation it was learned that Janet Arvizo had rehearsed her children into lying about the days incident. She later claimed sexual abuse and settling out of court for $137,000. Now, with that said… Gavin Arvizo (the accuser) was 13 at the time. He was diagnosed with cancer and had a kidney and spleen removed. Jackson paid Gavin Arvizo's medical expenses and chemotherapy treatment. This was before they met. After their meeting they formed a close bond. It was reported the Jackson single handedly nursed the boy back to health. When the Arvizo Family and Jackson were on good terms she encouraged all the children to call Jackson "Daddy,” Though Jackson already had 3 kids of his own. Skipping head, during the trial, Janet Arvizo, wait… I should inform you that she recently married a man by the name of Jay Jackson., so during the trial adamantly insisted she be referred to as “Janet Jackson.” She made a number of claims on the stand alleging that she was kidnapped my Michael Jackson, yet during the time frame was out shopping and having spa treatments all under Michael Jackson’s dime. She even admitted to lying under oath in an unrelated court case. She also plead the fifth on the stand regarding welfare fraud. In addition to her the prosecution had witnesses of questionable credibility such as Jackson’s EX body guard. He had been accused of robbing a number of retail stores and restaurants. As well as an ex house keeper who was fired for stealing. She ended up selling a story to media for $20,000 and runs porn site. George Lopez was called as a witness during the trial and testified how the father was continually asking for / extorting money. He went as far to say that the father accused Mr. Lopez of stealing $300 from the boy. In the end. Michael Jackson was found not guilty on all charges. There were no blacks on the jury. Point I’m making is in each of these cases all the evidence is highly questionable. This is not the first time we have seen a celebrity dragged though the mud for financial gain. And while there are many who still speculate or are convinced in their mind. We all live in the united states, our legal system might not be perfect, but we all abide by it. That a man or woman can be accused or anything, and it up to a judge and a jury of our peers to find beyond reasonable doubt our guilt / innocence. ~ Ryoga Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:29:21 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#b7263084-7203-490b-af5d-356c1827c02e Ryoga 2009-07-01T23:29:21Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#f2c3b875-7e6d-4354-9117-c9ffa292317f As I always say... I don't care what you say about me, as long as you spell my name right. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:18:25 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#f2c3b875-7e6d-4354-9117-c9ffa292317f Ryoga 2009-07-01T23:18:25Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#174f6133-0eb8-41eb-aad0-7d2cee307e4c No such thing as bad press. --S Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:03:32 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#174f6133-0eb8-41eb-aad0-7d2cee307e4c Shatter 2009-07-01T02:03:32Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#258d119d-3709-41f6-bf57-b70c0bc846e6 The media gave him that title, and it stuck. (and its true) Its not like he came up with it. However, he did come up with the term "Wacko-Jacko" Most of the stories that were printed about him in the tabloids were fed by MJ. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:15:35 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#258d119d-3709-41f6-bf57-b70c0bc846e6 Ryoga 2009-07-01T00:15:35Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#a9824d9d-46d6-41d8-8709-3c4e3a9f1f88 Fred didn't bill himself at the King of Pop. --S Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:33:32 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#a9824d9d-46d6-41d8-8709-3c4e3a9f1f88 Shatter 2009-06-30T23:33:32Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#e76bea7c-3d21-4d82-b361-e6525138cec4 > He hired talented people to play music for him (I never saw him pick up an instrument, except for the aforementioned junk). So what? Michael’s voice and body WERE his instruments. You might as well say that Fred Astaire was untalented because he didn’t play an instrument. Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:35:55 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#e76bea7c-3d21-4d82-b361-e6525138cec4 Tomas Diablo 2009-06-30T15:35:55Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#5da249bb-5197-44b6-9e4d-a0ba97f4b76e Adam- I told you, I wasn't looking at the court case, I was looking at his "Collection" and it's really, really, weird. I feel that way because it's a persons collection, not MJ. Anyone with that collection has got some serious issues. Even Howard Hughes wasn't that odd. Somebody like Hugh Hefner having a Peeing Boy fountain somewhere is comical. MJ having a dozen of them around the ranch is weird. You following here? Like i said, look at the whole collection, then think about it. His arcade was impressive. --S Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:27:56 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#5da249bb-5197-44b6-9e4d-a0ba97f4b76e Shatter 2009-06-30T08:27:56Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#fe9ae869-10f9-4a49-8ed3-ae5bd116fcea Shatter: > Taking them back to your house for private time is not what you do. If it were anyone other than Michael Jackson then there would have been lynch mobs torching the place. One of my neighbors when I was growing up was a collector of pinball machines. Some of the boys of the neighborhood would go over to his house all of the time to play pinball. It really would have sucked if someone lynched this nice old man. :-( > Because of who he is nobody wants to accept that the idea that he could be some twisted molester. I hope that's not what's happening. But I'm also hoping that you and others can accept that he might _not_ be a twisted molester. Can you do that? > Here's the thing that got me: It was always boys. He didn't have Children around, it was just little boys. It is certainly weird. It's probably creepy. But please don't forget that many people consider our lifestyle choices "weird" and "creepy". He _might_ have been a twisted molester. But he also _might_ have just been living out in later life the childhood he didn't have when he was young. The answer is that we simply don't know. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:28:19 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#fe9ae869-10f9-4a49-8ed3-ae5bd116fcea Adam 2009-06-29T20:28:19Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#73e53e30-55ae-4449-918f-4b6469c560e4 luna: > and though one may question a persons need to engage in "age play" at the end of the day it is ADULTS PLAYING with ADULTS Well, "play" certainly has different meanings in this crowd, eh? My intended point was that we as a group should better than average understand people can be prejudiced and hateful towards anyone who is different. If we're suffered through prejudice, shouldn't we be extra careful in guarding against doing it ourselves? Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:27:17 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#73e53e30-55ae-4449-918f-4b6469c560e4 Adam 2009-06-29T20:27:17Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#ff542947-03a9-45fd-baa6-c0fc014c92e6 Luna nailed it in one. I didn't watch or care much about the court cases. Here's the thing that got me: It was always boys. He didn't have Children around, it was just little boys. The images, icon, statues, painting, etc etc, all involved little boys. It's just creepy. Very creepy. A grown man playing PJ party with a bunch of little boys he's not related to, its' just very very weird. You care about kids? Great. Want to help kids? Super. Go perform in a cancer ward. Go visit some sick kids and take some pictures and pass around some swag. Take a little cash and go spruce up some inner city intercept centers, boys clubs, childrens hospitals and what have you. Do something for all kids. Taking them back to your house for private time is not what you do. If it were anyone other than Michael Jackson then there would have been lynch mobs torching the place. Because of who he is nobody wants to accept that the idea that he could be some twisted molester. Truth be told, he was human, and human are fully capable of be sick and demented in a very bad way. Being a pop star doesn't make you immune. --S Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:48:48 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#ff542947-03a9-45fd-baa6-c0fc014c92e6 Shatter 2009-06-29T08:48:48Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#83ff8cd9-a316-4acd-a457-d2af613442bb "he was found innocent " So was OJ. So what? --S Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:39:18 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#83ff8cd9-a316-4acd-a457-d2af613442bb Shatter 2009-06-29T08:39:18Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#06e58942-f01b-4ff5-9c4c-91d3ccaab66d last time i checked on tribe we are talking about consenting ADULTS and though one may question a persons need to engage in "age play" at the end of the day it is ADULTS PLAYING with ADULTS Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:36:23 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#06e58942-f01b-4ff5-9c4c-91d3ccaab66d luna 2009-06-29T06:36:23Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#ce062396-3c94-4720-bf4e-362aa226c04a One thing that really bugged me is, the child and family in the previous case. The family were SHARKS! Period! They tried to shake down Chris Tucker and Paul Rodriguez for large sums of money. Also the mother was found guilty of fraud for scamming two radio stations out of money that was supposedly for her cancer stricken son. Who at the time was fully covered under the fathers insurance. See, if... and I do mean IF!!! True or not, the original allegations of MJs possible wrong doing the first time around had gotten to the ear of any parent. NO well thinking parent would allow their child anywhere near the Neverland Ranch. Let alone to spend the night after that. If you told me Mr. Johnson down the street was accused of touching little boys, well guess what? My kid can’t play at Mr. Johnson’s house anymore. True or not, I'm not taking the chance. Yet, these parents continue to send their children to MJs place knowing what activities took place there. And by activities I mean his admittance to sleeping in the bed with other children. Now, I’m not saying anything sexual happen. Or that it’s right or wrong. Because obviously MJ saw nothing wrong with it. Point I’m making is, IF I’m a parent that does not approve of that kind of behavior, well don’t send your kids to Michael Jackson crib… Unless… you are looking for a reason to be “Starting Something” I.E. A civil case. And another thing about the trial, it was held in a conservative city, no blacks on the jury, and the media fueled the fire. All signs pointed to a guilty verdict. Everyone was convinced that this would be the end. But 12 jurors took it upon themselves that they would not be instruments of media frenzy. That was enough to suspend all doubts for me. Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:22:38 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#ce062396-3c94-4720-bf4e-362aa226c04a Ryoga 2009-06-28T21:22:38Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#4aa94ccf-518f-458f-bd6e-4c7edd9e66c6 Ryoga: > So as far as any of us know, apart from being a bit strange and a psychologically regressed 10-year-old, he is no more a child molester than you are. Amen. Thank you for that. I was shocked that someone in another tribe accused him of being a pedophile because a "barely legal" magazine was found in his house. Another person claimed, based totally on prejudice, that Michael had a "secret bedroom" filled with child porn. As a group who's extended membership includes people who engage in "ageplay", among many other deviations and kinks, I'm sincerely disheartened that, lacking any proof, any of us here would demonize someone based on prejudices or assumptions. :-( The simple answer is that none of us know. Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:24:55 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#4aa94ccf-518f-458f-bd6e-4c7edd9e66c6 Adam 2009-06-28T20:24:55Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#4aaae7f2-b4ee-438e-8901-d2143d50e59a he wasn't found innocent. it never made trail because he offered, (he offered a settlement not they family), a large sum of money to the family to keep it out of court and settle. i volunteered at a rape/sexual assult crisis center, people who are innocent want their day in court they rarely take deals/settlements and certainly do not offer settlements! as for an earlier post ~ a bad childhood is not an excuse most of us had bad childhoods and don't harm others and as for his "intentions" you know what they say "the road to hell was paved on good intensions" IT IS THE BIGGER POINT> two people who were not only GREAT ICONS but great people with beautiful spirits! are being overshadowed by someone who in no way should overshadow them and is only succeding because like in life his death is "sensationalizim" and our society has become addicted to the "sensational" stories that's why so many day time talk shows and "gossip" shows succeed with high ratings. even when they asked Madonna why she attended an awards ceremony with him she answered i needed sensationalism, i wanted to be noticed and talked about what better way then go with MJ did you hear farriah's funeral is at the church of angels ~ very appropriate RIP angel and ed Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:51:39 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#4aaae7f2-b4ee-438e-8901-d2143d50e59a luna 2009-06-28T12:51:39Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#13725110-49ac-4bb3-a9ba-7ba047d82925 I find it strange the Michael "molested" a kid in the early 90s and instead of pursuing a criminal case against him, the parents filed a civil lawsuit against him. For money. Nevermind trying to get him put away so he could never "molest" another kid again. Oh, no. Let's sue one of the most popular and wealthiest celebrities for money and get rich. Real convincing that the claims were true. And he was found innocent the second time he was accused. So as far as any of us know, apart from being a bit strange and a psychologically regressed 10-year-old, he is no more a child molester than you are. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:48:16 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#13725110-49ac-4bb3-a9ba-7ba047d82925 Ryoga 2009-06-27T21:48:16Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#61ed4af6-7b10-4d88-af43-8fdc20442c1d The only reason people doubt is because they like his music. If it were just some guy with disposable income they would automatically think he was creepy. You also missed the point- it's not the quantity of things, it's the quality, and there was a lot of things focused on young naked boys, and young boys in general. Not children, or things that children would enjoy. I know plenty of "Big Kids" and they have toys, and crud all over. They have things they loved as a kid plastered everywhere. What they don't have are life size statutes or images of young boys everywhere. Farrah on the other hand, was an Angel. Let's also not forget the passing of one of our greatest patron saints of insomnia, Ed McMahon. --S Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:40:56 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#61ed4af6-7b10-4d88-af43-8fdc20442c1d Shatter 2009-06-27T21:40:56Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#422176d2-b819-427f-bfe6-fb305a249947 I don't know how much of creep MJ actually was. Judging by his collection of stuff though... Really, you're going to bring that up here? Ok, well keep in mind that MJ had disposable income spewing out of him...even beyond the money he actually had as people wanted him to go into debt so they could acquire more of his real assets. Tons of space, tons of free time, tons of money, and tons of traveling around the world is going to get a person a ton of freaky stuff. Plus, if you go through any of the tours, you'll see an overwhelming amount of the stuff was stuff that was either given to him as gifts (a lot of it really freaky) or stuff from weird artists that he was really just being nice to. I'm by no means an expert on any of this, but I do know some people who know him, and were helped in tremendous ways by him. It sure seems like he was seriously fucked upon as a child, along with all the weirdness of being a child celebrity that left him in an adult state of having no sense of what was normal...or even an appreciation for normal...which I think is important when it comes to children. It seems to me like there are evil child molesters, and then there are people who don't have evil intent, but don't have a full understanding of normal behavior and what's right and wrong for adult/children interaction. MJ seemed to have fallen into the latter category. I say this because I know someone pretty well who is like this (minus the money, fame, etc...). As far as I (and others) can tell, he wouldn't say get a hard on, ejaculate, penetrate, or do any of the things that clearly if proven would land him in jail and he himself would see as evil. But he has a fucked up sense of what is right/wrong and normal in terms of what is otherwise legal adult/child intimacy. That's the sense that I got about MJ. He loved children and did a lot for many children who needed help. He did more than give them money, he gave them friendship, love, compassion, etc... All, seemingly without evil intent. However, at some point, MJ was messed up from his own childhood, and lacked the ability to not cross the line on his own with some children in terms of appropriate behavior (not necessarily legal behavior). Whatever happened, it seemed to come to an end some time ago. Whether this was from counseling so that he could continue to do some of the good things he did for children (including his own) in safe, healthy and appropriate ways...or whether it was from cutting off contact to children other than his own (which he kept hidden), I don't have any idea. As far as Farrah Fawcett...she was awesome. When I was in the 6th grade, I got a puppy and named her Farrah. It was funny because she developed really bushy hair like Farrah, while all of the other pups from the litter had short hair. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:43:14 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#422176d2-b819-427f-bfe6-fb305a249947 Kevine 2009-06-27T16:43:14Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#01c72bb6-c0cd-4211-b745-921ac7c690df amen on that damn hair disaster thing.. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:31:03 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#01c72bb6-c0cd-4211-b745-921ac7c690df Ally 2009-06-27T13:31:03Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#a1e0854d-f008-45a0-85c8-a4dd37d8681b You are so right Shatter. It saddened me to see Farrah die. <<Many men alive today achieved their first erection with her pin up pictures>> And many women today tried as girls to have their hair "feather" like hers...only for many, me included, to have complete hair disasters on their hands! Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:50:37 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#a1e0854d-f008-45a0-85c8-a4dd37d8681b Theresa 2009-06-27T05:50:37Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#a5543ea1-75c7-4230-9eb8-4198a7daa15e Sorry, but Michael was just another creep. Sure, he grabbed his junk on stage and shrieked a lot. He hired talented people to play music for him (I never saw him pick up an instrument, except for the aforementioned junk). Just take a look at MJ's collection and tell me that if anyone else collected liek this, that they woudln't have been in jail for life: http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2009/michael-jackson/ However, we lost somebody who was IMHO a far bigger loss, and far more tragic: Farrah Fawcett Poor woman died of butt cancer after a long fight. Many men alive today achieved their first erection with her pin up pictures, and there was little doubt about her being the hottest angel of them all. She was always charming in interviews and was an icon for the women movement that you could be tough, stand on your own, and still look good doing it. RIP Farrah --S Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:52:18 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#a5543ea1-75c7-4230-9eb8-4198a7daa15e Shatter 2009-06-26T19:52:18Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#4804dc3e-ad59-4c3e-9441-7cc06a79f682 I cannot stop crying regardless of anything there will never be a musical genius to compare to MJ. Perhaps people will finally leave him alone and remember him for his greatness. Apathy is a deficeit of the soul... RIP Michael... Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:59:19 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#4804dc3e-ad59-4c3e-9441-7cc06a79f682 GEM 2009-06-26T14:59:19Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#ad046d34-78f5-4063-a6f2-9367274a89e0 People are stupid. --S Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:12:55 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#ad046d34-78f5-4063-a6f2-9367274a89e0 Shatter 2009-06-26T08:12:55Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#efa957ca-a0b1-4eca-97d6-f5d44317aee1 He he he have I mentioned how much I love you Shatter? (sorry it's just exactly how i felt today when I found out... Not too many people shared my sentiments though) Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:55:40 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#efa957ca-a0b1-4eca-97d6-f5d44317aee1 Lauren 2009-06-26T05:55:40Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#c8b81c56-f330-4576-9247-e4e96ee09d7e One molester down.... --S Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:17:35 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#c8b81c56-f330-4576-9247-e4e96ee09d7e Shatter 2009-06-26T01:17:35Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#6c98b1b7-0abe-439e-b88e-84cdfa4e8001 The dude was a creep but his music survived the ages. I don't mourn him, but I may listen to his music today. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:35:26 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#6c98b1b7-0abe-439e-b88e-84cdfa4e8001 Minx 2009-06-26T00:35:26Z http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#def9309c-ff19-456d-b48b-5414a308172e Sigh... :( Why? Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:16:44 GMT http://bondageagogo.tribe.net/thread/7c0be716-0e70-4aba-ac33-7d970d2edb70#def9309c-ff19-456d-b48b-5414a308172e Ryoga 2009-06-26T00:16:44Z